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andy b

Hi Ray. Interesting thoughts on the prediction markets. I like your answer b and was thinking something similar.

Perhaps quant works because what people say they will do is no more than an approximation of what they might do, based on their own beliefs (which are absolutely influenced by the beliefs of others and what they believe other people who are like them would do.

Then, over a big sample, with all respondents going through the same process of thought, the differences between what they say they would do and what they actually do are evened out i.e.

1. I said I would do buy X and I did
2. You said you would buy X but bought Y
3. Pete said he would buy Y and bought Y
4. Trish said she would buy Y and bought X

The same amount of X and Y as predicted by the research evened out over the big sample although many people changed their decision.

Apologies if this is what you meant in your original post - although I think this is a slight addendum to it (i.e. some people do exactly as they intended)

Ray Poynter

Hi Andy, here is some support for the idea and a possible method by which it might work.
a)prediction markets, such as the Iowa Electronic Markets are able to predict election results on the basis of people buying and selling shares in who they think will win, i.e. estimating what other people want.

b) Let's look at the influence of personal networks. Let's assume your views are partly your views and partly some mix of, say you 20 closest contacts. Now let's take one member of that network of 20 people, their choice is going to be based on their views and their network of 20. In most 'normal' societies, that person's network of 20 will be different from you 20, perhaps 6-12 in common, so this person may make the same choice as you, or it may adjust to represent their 20 people. Keep doing that through a sample which is not intimately linked, even if it is not random, you will get a very wide spread that is closer to the true mean than any of the people will be.

Andy b

I'm not sure I agree with your conjecture of people saying what they think other people like them might do, ray. If that were true, then wouldn't the people like them make the same decision also? That seems to be a logical argument.

Brandon Watts

Ray,

Very good points. While scientific rigor is always good, sampling rigor is often not realistic due to budgetary/timing constraints and, as you point out, it is often not necessary. A significant portion of market research does indeed serve the purpose of risk mitigation. Better understanding the appeal (or lack there of) of a new product or service or the audience to which it will be marketed is many orders of magnitude cheaper via market research in comparison to proceeding blindly with the launch.

There will always be flaws or elements of market research that can be "nitpicked", but well designed research provides vital information at a cost that is a fraction of the unmitigated risk.

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